26th July 2017 Meeting with B-Line Project Team re Proposed Service Schedule a Failure

Representatives from four community groups north of Mona vale (Palm Beach Whale Beach Assn [PBWBA], Clareville and Bilgola Plateau Residents Assn [CABPRA], Avalon Preservation Assn [APA] & ourselves [NRA]) met with the NSW Dept Transport B-Line project team responsible for creating a new Bus Services schedule for the full B-Line route on Wednesday 26thJuly 2017.

  • The project team offered nothing in the way of addressing the service concerns raised in a joint submission from those community groups. The project team only tried to justify their proposals.
  • They have not finalised a new timetable as yet and will not seek community feedback before they publish it.
  • They remain intent on taking the B-Line to Newport
  • Attempted to justify Newport by saying their future demand study for the next 10 years suggested 60% of the demand at Mona Vale would be from the North and 40% from the West. This was a new answer completely at odds with those previously given whereby their initial economic assessment had Mona Vale as the start point.
  • They intend to dedicate up to 70 car spaces at the Newport Surf Club as permanent commuter spots but did not define how that would work
  • They defined a bus ‘Terminus’ as where a service finishes or commence from (and where staff can take a break)
  • They are still looking at 9 different terminus options at Newport including the streets to the west of Barrenjoey Road
  • They have no knowledge of the Mona Vale depot ever being considered as a terminus/commuter parking station
  • They confirmed that there would be no through city services covering the ‘Newport Loop’ during peak hours (there are currently 14 between 6 & 8am weekdays).


In summary Tspt. NSW have made up their minds about the proposed service schedule they have come up with and are not prepared to deviate. They have not disclosed the Opal data they say are driving their decisions, which you would expect them to do, to validate their position. With regard to the effect of the B-Line terminus at Newport we have no further detail to be able to assess the real impact and so at this stage it remains a real concern regarding the impact on the Surf Club Carpark and/or the residential streets around Newport.



The NRA monthly meeting held on Tuesday 20th June was expanded to include the Executives of both the Newport Surf Club and the Newport Chamber of Commerce and any other members of those organisations plus any other resident of Newport that our members could contact. The meeting room was packed to overflowing, standing room only and heard addresses from each of the three organisations followed by an open forum for the residents to comment.

At the conclusion of the meeting a resolution from the floor was passed with only three abstentions

That this meeting resolves that no B-Line service is extended to terminate in the village of Newport and that it be terminated at the town centre of Mona Vale which is at the junction of major roads to and from Pittwater.

Furthermore, this decision is to be conveyed to all pertinent Members of Parliament, department heads and Council executives who are involved in B-Line terminus decisions and it is to be supported by the reasons for this community’s requirement for this action.

A copy of the letter sent to Hon Rob Stokes, the Administrator of NBC Dick Persson and other politicians can be read by clicking on the following (B-Line meeting outcome)

Have a look at the  following video which summarises our concerns 

NEWPORT VILLAGE: a B-Line to Disaster?       https://youtu.be/GIux8hLhaRM



June 2017 – the Sate Government has just announced they plan to extend the B-Line service to Newport (previously it was to be between Mona Vale & the City). This announcement was despite the fact the Newport Residents Association had made a submission against the extension based on the undesirability of either running the B-Line through the residential streets of Newport (Seaview/Ocean and or Foamcrest to Neptune and back onto Barrenjoey) or destroying the Surf Club carpark to allow the turning around of the buses). We have requested through the offices of Rob Stokes to ensure that Transport NSW consults with the NRA re what they propose at the surf club carpark.

The proposed new and changed services between Palm Beach and the City and Manly are as follows – (click on the link)


The Executive of the NRA met with the B-Line Project Team on Wednesday 14th June to hear what they had in mind for terminating the busses and turning them around in Newport.  The Council and the Newport Surf Club had separate meetings with them on Tuesday. The following is a summary of the options laid out for us;

B-Line made a number of suggestions for turning the busses around at Newport

  1. Take over the Bramley Lane car park with busses entering at the northern end (opposite Coles Pde) and leaving via Bramley Lane (very narrow) back onto Barrenjoey Rd
  2. Utilise the northern end of the Surf Club car park an area just less than that currently occupied by the winter Netball teams. The proposal would be to take a right hand turn across  Barrenjoey Road into the carpark (nearly opposite the Neptune St intersection) turn the bus around and then queue it up with an area for three busses on the side of Barrenjoey road facing south before the current bus stop. (Unless they construct a roundabout or install traffic lights it is possible that the Neptune Road access to Barrenjoey Road may be closed for safety reasons- meaning Bardo Road would be the only access point to Barrenjoey Road within the Newport shopping precinct)
  3. Utilise app ¼ of the northern end of the surf club car park turning the busses into the surf club car park at new entrance north of the current bus stop, allowing an area to queue three busses on the left hand side of the current car park and then turn left onto Barrenjoey Rd at the northern end opposite Neptune St

Under all scenarios there would have to be provision for toilets to be built for the drivers.

The changes required to put any of the above into place would take longer than the B-Line mandated start date at the end of this year, so the B-Line project team have come up with two interim suggestions (and they don’t rule those out as becoming a permanent one) as follows;

  1. Turn right at ‘The Boulevard’ off Barrenjoey Road, turn left into Ross St, left again into Bramley Lane and then left onto Barrenjoey – (they would have to probably park the three queueing busses in The Boulevard)
  2. Turn left from Barrenjoey Road into Burke St the Newport Rugby Park (Porter Reserve) and utilise that area for both commuter parking and turning the busses around etc. (The B-Line people said the response from council was they would need to be out of there by March before the Rugby season).


Option 1 is problematic as it would destroy at least half of the current car spaces in the Bramley lane park and if it was converted for commuter parking then there would be no parking for customers of the shops and even if they didn’t change the current use there would still be a loss of possibly 50%.

We have had discussions with the Surf Club and they have voted to reject any use of the car park for a bus terminal.

The NRA Executive is trying to set up a meeting with Rob Stokes for representatives of the Surf Club, the NRA and the Newport Chamber of Commerce  to meet and tell him what the Newport community feels about this proposal.

The next NRA  meeting is  Tuesday evening 20th June at the Newport community centre, Activity room 2, at 7pm.  We will start the meeting as a wider community meeting to discuss how we are going to address  the B-Line proposal.



New Timetable (click on the link)


The B-Line service

The B-Line service is scheduled to start operating in late 2017 and will provide more frequent and reliable services for customers travelling between the Northern Beaches and the Sydney CBD.

You can find out more about this project at:  http://b-line.transport.nsw.gov.au

There is also a plan for Narrabeen as well – an update from March 2016 is available here

Mona Vale Commuter Car Park

At Mona Vale, TfNSW plans to deliver new northbound and southbound bus interchanges on Barrenjoey Road, a commuter car park with around 150 commuter car parking spaces on the Eastern side of Barrenjoey Road, plus funding to Northern Beaches Council of $2.5 million for future investment in car parking in Mona Vale as part of the Mona Vale Place Plan.

The proposal for Mona Vale consists of both short-term and medium-term car parking developments.
In the short term TfNSW propose to add additional spaces to Beeby Park Car Park, whilst retaining the major tree stand, to provide 150 commuter car parking spaces. This land is owned by the NSW Government (Crown Lands – DPI).

For the medium term, TfNSW will provide funding to Northern Beaches Council of $2.5million this financial year as an off-set for the conversion of the 77 car spaces that currently exist at the Beeby car park to commuter car parking, so that Council can provide additional parking in Mona Vale as part of the Mona Vale Place Plan.

The construction of additional spaces in Beeby Park Car Park will require a relocation of the existing Scouts, Guides and Tennis Clubs currently in Kitchener Park. TfNSW advised discussions between Scouts, Guides and the Tennis Club have reviewed various relocation positions with the preferred location to remain in Kitchener Park through redevelopment of the existing Tennis Club into a two-story building on the northern side of the tennis courts. TfNSW will arrange this re-location (including relocation costs) with support from council as appropriate.

The report states there would be no impact on the Golf Course or the existing playing fields.

TFNSW is also to deliver the following road scope items to support the Mona Vale Commuter Car Park and B-Line stops:
o New left turn slip lane on the northern approach to the intersection with Golf Avenue on Barrenjoey Road;
o Extend northbound right turn bay on Barrenjoey Road into Golf Avenue;
o Realignment of the left turn bay existing from Pittwater Road on to Barrenjoey Road to facilitate the relocation of the northbound Mona Vale B-Line stop to just north of this left turn bay; and
o Indented bus bays for southbound Mona Vale B-Line stop.

Pittwater On-Line News has a good detailed summary of the proposal just click on the following link –




Re Proposal for extending the B-Line bus service to Newport

The Newport Residents Association at its monthly meeting held  on Tuesday 21st June 2016 considered the above proposal based on the information it had deduced from various reports and from discussions with the office of the Hon Rob Stokes and resolved to write to the council and Mr Stokes outlining the NRA concerns as follows;

The meeting unanimously voted to reject this proposal for the following reasons;

  • The impact on the residential streets to allow the volume of busses (which we understand are to run every 10 minutes at the peak times) to be able to turn around to make the southern journey.
  • Should the busses instead of using the residential streets use a modified surf club car park to turn we believe the permanent impact on the surf club car park for access and egress could not be justified.
  • Any egress from the surf club car park, if it was to be considered, would need to be at the northern end which would make it too close to the single lane portion and bends coming down the hill from Avalon on Barrenjoey Road.
  • The potential impact of a dedicated bus lane to the Barrenjoey road businesses would be catastrophic and also potentially have an impact on village life.
  • The current street scape of Barrenjoey Road in the village area has been extremely well upgraded to fit in with the Pittwater Connected Village ideals and it would need to be potentially destroyed to make way for permanent bus lanes.

In summary the members of the Newport Residents Association are unaware of where the push to extend the B-Line service to Newport is coming from and do not believe there has been any consultation on the benefits or otherwise of this proposal with the residents of Newport.

You may peruse the NRA submission under Documents/submissions from the Menu Bar


Resident Groups proposed submission re bus services north of Mona Vale.

The issue of an extended service and the retention of bus connections to the city that we already have from Palm Beach to Mona Vale is currently being discussed with other community organisations at Avalon, Bilgola Plateau and Palm Beach. To this end the CABPRA (Clareville & Bilgola Plateau Residents Association) have produced a draft document to take to the State politicians, NB Council and the Dept of Transport. To view this draft document please click on the following link (draft submission re bus services). Should you have any comments regarding this submission please advise the NRA executive.


Meeting with State member Rob Stokes

B-Line Meeting 29/8/2016

Representatives from the Clareville and Bilgola Plateau Residents Association, The Palm Beach and Whale Beach Association, Avalon Preservation Association and the Newport Residents Association met with The Hon Rob Stokes on 29th August to discuss the delivery of the B-Line service. The discussion paper Suggested B-Line Bus Route Links North of Mona Vale provided an introduction for the discussion that included: the importance of maintaining and improving the existing express and limited stop services north of Mona Vale, transfers, improvement of links, routes and schedules, concern regarding the impacts of extension of the B-Line service north of Mona Vale.

The B-Line is planned to terminate at Wynyard. From the 5th September, 2016 a transfer discount for changing modes on public transport will apply to Opal charges.

There is to be an improved bus service to Manly Wharf.

The option for commuter parking in Mona Vale, by increasing the parking capacity in Beeby Park and the associated impact on the existing buildings in Kitchener Park, is no longer under consideration by Transport for NSW.

The provision of infrastructure and improved public transport has the potential to increase development. The draft Mona Vale Place Plan (not yet on exhibition, includes heights of 6 storeys in parts of Mona Vale town centre).

The implementation of the B-Line must result in an improved the public transport service for the community. A further meeting with representatives of Transport for NSW is to be arranged.